Do we use all Eight Cognitive Functions? MBTI

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1. Some very good points here:

   I'm ISTJ but I find myself often playing peacemaker, telling people what they want to hear (even if I don't really believe it) so they'll be happy. It made me wonder if I wasn't actually ISFJ, but then I contemplated it……do I really, actually care about their feelings or do I just want to put out fires and make sure everything runs smoothly? And it's definitely the latter. It's called strategy. So yes, my Te kinda fakes Fe for efficiency sakes. I agree that the 4 functions we have cover everything and compensate in times of need. That's why I get very critical at people, for example who say ''I'm INFJ but I'm more Fi than Fe''. No, you're over-compensating with your other functions and you have to ultimately pick a side in your type.

2. Several months ago I was trying to explain to a fellow Fi user how Fe could look like Fi. I stated I made a personal decision (Fi) to value what others value (Fe) because I wanted to be (Fi) what other people felt was considerate (Fe) even if those values weren't necessarily my own. Outwardly, this personal choice to "mesh" and "get along" with others probably looked very Fe-like. In fact, my friend assumed I had Fe in my stacking until we talked further and I explained my motivations. So… your excellent explanation of the feeling function has validated my Fi choices and that one can Fe if they Fi choose 😀

3. From an INFP, sounds pretty spot on. Fi allows me to know how I feel and make decisions based on that.

   It's not entirely clear to me, especially when it's just in text format, how someone else is feeling.

   I would describe it best as being a crystal ir a prism. The feeling hits me directly, I understand how I feel and then I have to separate what I feel from how they feel unless it's a shared emotion.

   Even if it's in the same spectrum, say love or pain or anxiety, whatever. The nuances can make all the difference.

   I might feel a sense of hopeless anxiety and someone else might be feeling enraged because of a lack of value. Totally different spectrum, completely different reaction.

   It is extremely hard to tell from the surface. But, again, that's why it's a shadow function. Kinda backing up what you said. I can only mimic what I perceive others are feeling and fine tune it based on output.

4. Well said,

   Does this mean that MBTI doesn't buy into the fact that we have a subconscious? If it does, then what congitive functions do we use to explore that?

5. Asura I have a question for you. I saw you in a interview saying you got a bachelor's degree in 2 1/2 years. How were you able to do that? Did you work while going to school, or were you able to pay the bills with students loans? I'm thinking about going to school to major in management consulting, or history.

6. That the orientations of the functions alternate, do you think it's a convenient way to fit the 16 MBTI types, or is it merely observed to be true for all cases?

7. I happen to mostly agree with what you say here as would Objective Personality, but most of the Type community doesn't agree.
   I think that the 4 functions that we don't use are still conceptually present in our cognition because we interact with people that use these functions all the time.
   The fact that we don't use these functions makes us blind to a certain portion of reality that is not required for day to day activity but it is required to have a complete picture of the world.

8. I appreciate your perspective on this. You're looking at a deeper level of things than a lot of those that publish MBTI content.

9. Solid arguments.

   I tend to find orientation (attitude in Jungian terms) tends to undulate according to the circumstances, but from a perspective of fixed-orientation I would agree!

   There's also the differing perspectives of what constitutes 'use' – if unconscious influence corresponds to use this would reframe things a little, and while I believe we would define 'use' in the same way there would no doubt be interpretations that make no distinction between use and 'influence'.

10. If we use only 4 functions, how do you explain that sometimes we are acting like a completely different type? For example, as an INTJ, I sometimes can have my repressed Se aspired and be good at performance, like an ESFP. This doesn't happen often but it does happen from time to time.

11. I was just about to ask if we could get a video on cognitive functions. Does this mean I have Ni? Joking ofc

12. Good video! As always ?

13. Thank you! I appreciate this video as well as your response below to the question about Dario Nardi's work as that was my question too.

14. It may be good for a systemic understanding to consider I/E functions as two ends of one spectrum to the "four functions" but Dario Nardi has shown clear differences in brain activity between the 8 functions. Both regions and patterns differ! From what he has shown us it sure seems like Fi and Fe are two different things rather than a spectrum. I believe that dr Nardi also favor that we use 4-functions.

15. You're right on all of this but you're simply missing out on more but not learning the 8 functional model (Beebe). It's not something that overrides mbti, it just explains more. Like 97.17% of what you say I agree with and is completely accurate, but your knowledge is merely underwhelming and missing pieces by not learning the 8 functional model. Once you learn that, everything will have clicked.

16. I think it’s time for a haircut

17. A while back you made a video on MBTI types of characters in The Witcher (hot topic at the time i suppose), but would you also be interested in making similar videos for different tv shows? Personally, i'd love to see a video on The Walking Dead (even though i never cared much for the last 3 seasons). That show is all about survival instinct and attempting to maintain a proper society. I'd love to see how that translates into MBTI types.

18. I have just yesterday tried to tell the 16personalities people themselves that:
    1. They have made a mistake and the abbreviations they use fail to correspond one to one to the two sides of the aspects which I suggest that they correct to Assertive-tUrbulent for the erroneous abbreviations they have put for Identity.
    2. I have repositioned Jung’s cognitive functions to line up to their framework like this:
    A. The stack is 2×4 with the subjective obServant-iNtuitive (Deduction) and Thinking-Feeling (Induction) preferences each having their own columns:
    I. Inherited from Myers–Briggs is the property that IP and EJ prioritize Induction while IJ and EP prioritize Deduction
    II. The prior stack orients its functions according to IJ-EP independently of A-U while A has the posterior stack agreeing with this orientation and U does not
    III. The ST-NF preference is ambiverted as the dominant and auxiliary functions independently of A-U while E-A has its opposite introverted and I-A has its opposite extraverted independently of J-P and U has its opposite mixed according to IJ-EP
    B. For example:
    INFJs are like this:
    Dom: NJi-FJi~FPe
    Aux: NPe-FPe~FJi
    Ter: SJ-TJ~TP (traditionally e-e~i; modern i-i~e)
    Inf: SPe-TPe~TJi
    I semi-BSed my way to ISTP-U which is like this:
    Dom: TPi-SJe
    Aux: TJe-SPi
    Ter: FP-NJ (traditionally e-e~i; modern i-i~e)
    Inf: FJe-NPi
    However, Facebook appears to have lost the post.

19. As an INTP, I rely on my Ne to do a job that should be done by Se, for example, when I'm going in the the wrong direction, I don't pay attention to external realities, instead, I think of hypotheticals using my known Si facts, it's not effective, but I do end up reaching my destination in one piece, lol.

20. Thank you, Asura. Question: I underatand that MBTI typing assumes that one is mentally healthy, but I have to wonder about the affinity that (unhealthy) INTJs have with covert narcissism. I am basing my views on the fact that I see at least some similarities between the lived experience and descriptions of INTJs and covert narcs.

    Do you think it's possible, if not probably, that INTJs have a predisposition towards being covert narcissists? Or, another way of looking at this: what does it say about INTJs and MBTI if covert narcissists are more likely to "score" as INTJs than other types?

21. It seems like I meet a lot of people for whom thinking is the repressed function.

22. Hello AsuraPsych I would like to ask you to make a video about the INTJ NiFi Loop and how to escape it. It would be of immense help, I am almost completely out of one but it is not easy. I hope you can help not only me but several other INTJ's too. Thanks

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