The CRASH that Changed US Aviation.

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What could cause a pilot to handle the #aircraft in almost the complete opposite way to how he has been trained? As this aircraft #tumbled through the dark night, it changed the American #aviation industry to it’s core but was it for the right reasons? Let’s investigate…

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Below you will find the links to videos and sources used in this episode. Enjoy checking them out!

Sources
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Final Report:
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/accidentreports/reports/aar1001.pdf

Aircraft Used:
Bomardier Q400 Dash8 by FlyJSim:
https://store.x-plane.org/FlyJSim-Q4XP_p_1511.html

Bomardier Q400 Dash8 Freeware by Philippe Marion
https://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/24848/msfs-de-havilland-canada-dash-8-q400-package/

Saab 340: Adrian Pingstone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_340

Continental Connection Bombardier Q400: Rudi Riet
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Continental_Connection_Bombardier_Q400.jpg

Crash Pad 1: Bruce McGehee

How To Find A Great Crash Pad

Crash Pad 2: Unknown
https://www.apartmentguide.com/blog/crash-pads-comforts-of-home-convenience-of-a-hotel/

Crew Room: Unknown
https://www.glassdoor.com/Photos/Mesa-Air-Office-Photos-IMG974502.htm

Recliner: DreamSeat

Home Theater Recliner Plus

1500 Hour Rule 1: ainonline.com – Matt Thurber
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/blogs/ainsight-1500-hour-rule-ridiculous

1500 Hour Rule 2: theaircurrent.com – Elan Head

What’s missing from the debate over the 1,500-hour rule

CHAPTERS
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00:00 – Start
00:24 – 2816 Mile commute
03:33 – Weather conditions
04:53 – The flight crew
07:45 – A lot of conversing
12:04 – Angle of attack
14:35 – Remote performance
16:38 – Descent
20:32 – Stick shaker
26:27 – 105 Degree roll
27:47 – Probable cause

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25 Comments

  1. Given the age of the captain and the length of time he had been flying, I was kind of surprised at how little flight time he had. My daughter, who is 32, probably has as much flight time as he had. She started out in a cadet program here in Canada with Jazz a little under 10 years ago flying the Dash 8-300.

    She is currently an Air Canada captain flying the Airbus A220-300.

  2. The captain did exactly what we were trained to do back then. The airplane would have flown right out of it with those huge propellers blowing on the flaps. There is no “behind the power curve” on a big turboprop since those huge props make huge thrust at low speed.  

    It was when the first officer retracted the flaps that she sealed everyone’s fate. The focus should be on the lack of competency that led the first officer to retract the flaps at the worst possible moment on her own accord with no input from the captain, since that is what killed everyone.

  3. It's the same with all skilled jobs. You need 4000-8000 hours in skilled trades to be able to do them by yourself. They made those rules because of the lack of competence of those doing the profession. It only makes it harder for competent individuals to start their own business. So in turn they choose a different field. That's why all the trades are dying.

  4. In the period 2005 to 2015 I did many recurrent trainings for Embraer 145 at Flightsafety Intl. in United States. It was always instructed to use back pressure to prevent a loss of altitude when the stick shaker was activated. I was always shocked by this completely wrong and dangerous approach. The instructors had to instruct that at the time. It would be interesting to know how such a serious dagerous approach could come about. MS (EASA – ATPL) Switzerland

  5. I remember that crash I will never forget it. This was my first real venture into real time video on iPhone. I was shocked as the news poured out about the pilot and copilot errors. And I feel like yesterday the pain as I watched the plane actually in flames in real time. Horrible.

  6. I really like watching your content, I have learned a lot about aviation since I been watching you. Thank you for all your hard work, I know it must be hard and tiring with your schedule, just remember always do you and make time for yourself to do nothing or whatever makes you happy.

  7. I use the same Q400 used here in X-Plane 11/12 and you really do have to keep an eye on the speeds even in the sim on the approach. It's not a set-and-forget ILS aircraft unlike the 737 or Airbus family – this aircraft demands (even in the sim) constant attention in the landing phases of flight.

  8. You are so right about the 1500 hours. Both of these pilots as well as the pilots on your Presque Isle video, for example, had this and still failed. The FAA has become a more and more knee jerk operator. At the rate they are going now, Boeing may never get another aircraft certification. US airlines continue to pay for both decisiions.

  9. A "crash pad" is an appropriate term.
    More and more research is showing the importance of good quality sleep and rest. The fact that the airline neglected this is a real condemnation.
    As fewer people are being attracted to becoming pilots, I can see this problem becoming worse as a shortage of pilots developes.

  10. Is affirmative action causing any issues in aviation yet?
    I know this guy who is a complete spaz in the cockpit. He panics over things to the point I was truly scared fo fly w him when he was single engine.

    Well now, only a year later he is a first officer at a major airline and I'm almost certain the only reason they let him fly such a big plane is because of some racial quota. (I'm hoping it's not a law, but I have no idea). I'm in the USA btw.

  11. Do you suppose it would be helpful for that barber's pole to start blinking when it starts getting close to your airspeed?

    This would make it noticeable a bit further into your peripheral vision when it really counts.

  12. I always love watching your content. Another crash that changed aviation was Northwest Airlines Flight 255, on August 16th, 1987. Have you ever done anything on that crash or have plans too?

  13. As I watch these accident reconstruction videos, I'm surprised that the flight authorities haven't mandated displays that might flash reasons or whys in the flight configuration to the pilots when, say, a stick shaker is happening. Had these pilots had something to indicate that the Ref Speed was set as the shaker kicked, it may have improved the situational awareness as to WHY the shaker was triggered.

  14. As an American it doesn’t surprise me in the least that we would have rules that didn’t ensure competency and caused economic strife. We have a pandemic of people who aren’t competent themselves dictating those who are competent.

  15. well for someone that rarely fly's, I can pick and choose. Like one of the top ten safest airplanes. And the top ten airlines. And the best weather to fly in. Best time in the day to go. And of course the best places to fly from and to. Yeah pretty safe. This is because fatigue and poor equipment and bad management and whole list of stupid people out there I really do not want to deal with. Jesus you people rate flight hours as a guideline for talent or experience. Most were likely asleep at the 'wheel' most of the time. Flight hours should be solely flight training hours only. At least its a way better guideline. How many flight training hours do you have? Where you received training and not did the training. Total flight hours as they call it today?

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