An exploration of the concept of data storage in airless moon environments and how we, and aliens may use to this to indefinitely preserve messages and information.
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I imagine the most pressing reason would be to protect our knowledge from an extinction event, i.e. asteroid. Some people will definitely survive, so it would be nice to have access to knowledge to rebuild. And also key people must be invited to repopulate. Very doable with current day technology in my layman's vantage point.
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The squids are… ALREADY HERE…THEY HAVE SPY'S… THERE CALLED THE MAGNAPINNA BIG FIN SQUID!!! AND THEY ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN… WAITING…FOR THERE FELLOWS TO ATTACK EARTH!!!!
The Inner Light is brilliant. ❤
Fried calamari 😂
06:30 – That's why I want to go to the Moon and doodle in the regolith. 50 million years from now, when the human race is long gone and a new species has risen to the intelligence level of space flight, they will and on the moon and discover the remnants of our ancient civilization: Two crudely-drawn adjacent circles with a dot in the middle of each, and written beneath in a language they'll never decipher, "BEWBS".
In 2002, I interviewed a businessman who was working on permanent data storage on the moon. His idea was that putting the data in a capsule and sending it to the moon would be the best way to keep it secure and intact for very long periods of time. It's good to see this concept finally being taken up again. Watching the video, however, I have to wonder what existing digital technology could really withstand cosmic rays and lunar temperatures over decades.
In addition data moons might be relevant not only for future alien/nonhuman civilizations, but also for possible future human civilizations, considering how much of a tendency we have to nuke ourselves back to the stone age. No more human dark ages when all the lost information is at arms length.
8:10 They would find roads
3001 the final odyessy had a data vault deep in the moon that had copies of every single deadly computer worm created in the early days of computers from that stories POV goes.
Makes me wonder whether this has already happened. Maybe someone has already left records for us to discover…
Maybe I should have watched the entire video before commenting as John goes on to speculate exactly that!
the fact that you were able to avoid referencing 2001 near the end is proof you're a better man than i am
While the energy use of the data center’s operation is ecologically inconvenient for the Earth, there is an irony here where silicon fabrication requires water as an input to the process. There has been some research and development into recycling the same water and working towards a closed cycle that does not consume new water, but this is elusive due to certain chemical processes that must take place during the manufacturing process. See youtuber Asianometry and his videos about water in the silicon manufacturing process and ultra pure water. And so, the sci fi tropes of machine worlds or heavily industrialized deserts or martian planets is actually impossible without liquid water under known technology. If the process can go fully closed cycle with water then this would really open up the possibilities.
I wanna see a vulcanoctopus!
Someone should start a stone data center for important information
Star Trek Squid would have TOS episodes where they'd come to a planet and instead of the molten lava it would just be land and they'd be like.. can anyone live down there? And then Squid Abraham Lincoln would show and hilarity ensues.
A data center on the Moon…hahahaha…wait until the cosmic radtion or an X-flare cooks the microchips…
"I Suck Lucy"
year 2040
playing online
getting too much ping on European server
switch to lunar server
If we dont 'filter' ourselves then there will be a future time when relic hunting with be the big 'goldrush' call to the cosmos.
Lol. Squid Star Trek, TOS (The Ocean Series)
ANCIENT MYTHS MAY HAVE BEEN MESSAGES
ancient Greek or Roman myths were messages from the past. Some may have been attempts to convey cosmic principles or lessons. John Anthony West suspected that they were principles told in the form of drama as opposed to math.
TV? Squid game?😄😄
A data centre wouldn't last very long on the moon in an unmaintained state.
There is no rewritable storage media that doesn't suffer from bitrot.
In an unmaintained state HDDs, SSDs and even magnetic tape would all lose data to bitrot to become totally unreadable within a human lifespan.
I often burst out laughing when listening to John. I guess it's the closest I get to the cosmic laugh.
I'd be too worried about micrometeorites. They could be going fast enough to permanently delete your data on impact even through some pretty thick shielding. No atmosphere so they won't burn up
There's an awesome sci-fi short story called "The Frost Giant's Data" The author is escaping me right now. Was in a great anthology from a few years ago. The protagonist uses up clones of himself to breach a data moon.
I for one welcome our new squid overlords.
It's still so baffling to me that all our videos, photos, etc. Are just Zero's and one's. Then a cpu converts that data into data we can recognize. Also fiber optic cables and being able to transfer tons of data with laser light beams thru thin pieces of glass.. Wi-Fi.. TV displays.. It's mind boggling and awesome
Next civilization won’t be from Africa, never has
Really interesting and deep discussion. I tend to wonder if, for example, an alien mission came through our star system at some point, how far they might actually go with a database? We humans can conceive of our own space-faring future, where we employ a Prime Directive. Would a wholly alien race necessarily conceive of a similar protocol? Would they even see a need for it?
I don't think any sea living creature can get into space regardless of hoe intelligent it is. Pretty hard to develop electronics and fire underwater.
Farther from the sun, safer for longer, theoretically.
I expected t his to be about orbital server farms, that might grow to planetoid size, not about caches on existing moons.
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The problem of relying on the Moon as a Datacenter, is that at the best case scenario we would have 1 second delay in the connection
When we find out "the blob" in the earths mantle is actually a data center. Atlantis?
Maybe these lil orb things are due to it rising again😅
The future Earth civilizations are Inklings and Octolings.
The Monolith approves your idea…
No, we live in an Information Society.
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Remember the Jupiter-sized computer in The Expanse? Still trips me out imagining that much data.
awesome!
Have not seen Mr Wiggles im really losing out and were close in age. All the things you say you enjoyed as a kid seem to be mine too . I didnt get a Big Trak …. My mum and dad did buy me an expensive microprocessor toy Fabulous Fred and a bit later Grandstand scramble…
I think in Iceland they have H U G E data centres . They have massive warehouses full of servers and all the power is geo thermal using their quite thin crust as a point of cheap energy. I believe even the government use these to mine crypto currency to aid their income… We need fusion or zero point soon..
what are the odds these passing aliens have a sense of humour and leave a prank geocache box with absurd science inside..
The only problem I see with a rock moon like our own is the cooling of what is basically a huge computer cluster since you don't have any readily available fluid such as air or water to circulate and remove the residual heat. I think one of the ice shell moons would be much better in that regard since their oceans are very deep, and basically an infinite heat sink. A source of energy there could be capturing the electromagnetic flux from Jupiter's magnetosphere with coils spread at the surface.
Music volume just a touch too high on this one?
Love that he pretty much described Splatoon lol
Far future squid Cthulhu will be a giant human looking monster on land.